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Re: stonebridge   Bill at 11/4/10 6:08pm
I just cant understand why courses book these events knowing darn well that these players are going to play a 5 hour round. Then they book tee times behind these groups and then the golfers stuck behind just get pissed off and never come back. Why don't you simply leave an hour open between a large group and regular tee times? You may loose the revenue but you will make it up by not loosing a future booking.
Re: stonebridge   The B-Man at 11/4/10 3:18pm
PT and others -- I try to give both sides equal time in situations like this because everyone has their own perspective. I let Boyd Everling from Stonebridge know about this recent critique and he quickly responded:

As with any situation there are two sides to a story and here is our side.

On Sat. Oct. 23rd, we had a 25 player outing that started at 8:30. The outing was very slow and we were getting many complaints from the golfers behind them. For example, the first group played at a 3 hour pace of play for 9-holes. Their lead groups had as many as 3 holes open in front of them, therefore slowing down the rest of the golfers. Even with the groups skipping holes, most of the groups finished at 5-hours plus. We had 120 players behind the event that morni! ng that were happy that we were putting in the effort to speed play so that they could enjoy their round of golf as well.

We try to make all of our players' experience at Stonebridge as pleasant as possible, and a pace of play above 5 hours is not enjoyable for any golfer.

We do value the input of all our golfers and strive to improve whereever possible.

We appreciate the opportunity to explain the events of that day.

Bobby West, PGA
Boyd Everling, PGA


Re: course rec   Ron at 11/3/10 4:45pm
Hello, thanks for the reply. I forgot about frost, we are coming from Florida so that is never an issue. We will play Verdict Ridge one day. Tega Cay is close for us, any comments on this course?
course rec   malamute at 11/3/10 3:00pm
generally courses are in good shape - may have frost delays
verdict ridge is best course near belmont / woodbridge and deer brook are good value courses / some in charlotte to consider are springfield, olde sycamore, and skybrook but cost a little more
Course Recommendations   Ron at 11/2/10 9:20pm
Hello, We are visiting family who live south of Belmont over Thanksgiving. Can anyone tell me what to expect the courses to be like that time of year? Can anyone recommend 2 or 3 courses that we could play that are nice, interesting and a fair value? We don't want to travel too far, 30 to 40 minutes top. Thank you in advance.
Re: stonebridge   PT at 11/2/10 7:02am
I don't like to bash anyone and had some reservations about even posting this to begin with. I have always enjoyed playing this course and actually shot my best round ever here last summer. A couple of weeks ago I was playing in a company sponsored tournament and we were on a 4 1/2 hour pace. My experience is that these events usually take a little longer because of how focused everyone is on their game. We were asked by staff to skip hitting off the tee on one hole and then one more hole later was asked to skip 2 holes entirely. We only had 3 left to play at that time. No one could prove that any play on the course was being held up. After our round we hung around for about 45 minutes just to watch and saw only 2 groups go off 10 and it took that whole time before a group even played 18. We finished on 17. That just told me that 1. we weren't holding up the rest of the course and 2. they just didn't want us there only our money. This came from the Director of Golf who I had never seen before so I guess that including the whole staff is a bit much. They were doing what he told them to. It seemed to me they didn't schedule their tee times efficiently and we had to suffer. I hate the thought of not playing there again but I can't take being treated like golf scum.
Re: stonebridge   The B-Man at 10/28/10 2:05pm
Let me first say that I almost didn't post PT's message because there were no specifics mentioned and no contact address so I could follow up. The times I have played at Stonebridge, the pro shop staff has been nice and accommodating (when I had partners who were late for our starting time). My beefs with Stonebridge over the years were usually with regards to pace of play, but that seems to come and go.

As for Dan's comments, I can understand the sentiment, but I think that is too broad a statement to make about courses in the Charlotte area. While I certainly see my fair share of poor conditions, high prices, and pro shop attitudes around town, I also see examples where course staff members are appreciative of their customers and constructive feedback.

So I would simply ask that feedback left here be as specific and as constructive as possible. Obviously, our shared goal is to improve the quality of golf in the area. I think this is the best way to accomplish that.
Re: stonebridge   Dan at 10/28/10 12:56pm
I doubt that B-Man or anyone closely related to golf courses in this area will admit it, but it seems like there is a common theme around here of how crappy the courses treat their customers. I moved down here from West Michigan 1 1/2 yrs ago and personally think the golf scene here in Charlotte sucks. I have been truly disappointed to say the least of both course conditions and The attitude of the course personel. Maybe they don't realize it, but they give off a HUGE negative vibe that they really don't care if their customer is happy or not.
stonebridge   malamute at 10/27/10 4:07pm
can you provide more info regarding treatment, pt?
thx
Stonebridge   PT at 10/26/10 12:32pm
This course is in great shape. One of the best in the area that I have seen.That being said...The staff has alot to be desired. I have played there numerous times and have friends that play there weekly and none of us have ever been treated so rudely as this past weekend. I will never set foot on their course again and neither will any of the others. I have no words to explain how bad an experience it was.
Revolution GC   Russell at 10/25/10 2:01pm
I am not sure if anyone missed playing at Revolution GC but it has been closed for a little over two years to be renovated.

I heard from someone at Park and Rec that it will be reopening this Friday with a reconfigured course. There is also a large putting and chipping green and a driving range that are shared with First Tee of Charlotte.

It is operated for the city by Ratcliffe Golf Services (CT Myers, Sunset Hills, Rennassance) so that should give you an idea about the quality of the conditioning that should be expected.
Cramer Mountain   Jamie at 10/16/10 4:13pm
Played Cramer Mountain today (10/16) for the first time. We were told when we booked the tee time that the greens were punched two weeks ago, and that they would be "just a little bumpy". Here is the REAL deal: they were possibly the worst greens I have ever seen in 30 years of playing golf. About 2/3 of the greens were literally unplayable - grass at least 1/2" high, large portions of the greens dead, heavily sanded in many areas. The three os uf were completely stunned by their poor condition. The greens need a lot of work, or total replacement, to make them puttable. The course overall is a good layout, and the fairways were in good shape, but general maintenance has been lacking there for a long time. Basic things like cartpaths, bunkers, etc. need a lot of work just to get to "public" course! standards. My advice - stay away from CM for a while, maybe try it in the spring. It really needs some serious maintenance.
eagle chase   DrSchteeve at 10/10/10 9:55pm
Greens punched about 2 weeks ago. By October 27, they should be in great shape. You will love this course if the layout suits your game
eagle chase   malamute at 10/10/10 9:06pm
greens are fair at best - first 6 are poor / rest of course is ok
eagle chase   piversen at 10/10/10 11:56am
I have tee times here on Oct 27....anyone played recently? coming from canada...returning to charlotte from pinehurst....stopping to play here. looks ok....great price....any comments? thx
Mom's Lemonade Fund Golf Tournament at Emerald Lake 11/08/10   The B-Man at 10/8/10 10:16am
First Annual Tournament for Ovarian Cancer:

Mom's Lemonade Fund Golf Tournament
Emerald Lake Golf Club
Monday, November 8th, 2010


The mission of Mom's Lemonade Fund is to raise awareness of ovarian cancer, assist with frontline emotional and medical needs and to provide comfort care items for patients, their family members and caregivers battling the disease.

Registration: 9:00am
Shot Gun Tee Time: 10:00am
Cost: $70
Includes: Green Fees, Cart Fees, Range Balls, Lunch, Two Beverage Ti! ckets, Tournament Awards, Door Prizes
Sign-up and payment deadline: November 1, 2010

Help make our outing a success: we are looking for Hole Sponsors, Door Prizes and Players!

Contact the tournament coordinator Patty Miles at 704-882-7888 ext 3 or via email, fandb@emeraldlakegolfclub.com.
Junior Tees   j&c at 10/4/10 12:56pm
I played Charles T. Myers for the first time in 15 years this past weekend and the course was as rough as I remembered but fine for my purposes. I was playing with my 6 year old for her first time on a "real course with golf carts". I had planned on picking spots for her to tee off close to the green and was pleased when finding the junior tees. She loved having her own tees close to the green. It was also nice that she played for free after 1:00 (which is why I picked the course). Does anyone know of any other courses in the area with a similar set up?

By the way, we were playing as a reward to her and I planned to play how ever many holes she wanted. To my suprise, we left after 17.
Re: Where to play   DrSchteeve at 10/3/10 6:29pm
Ballantyne will give you the nicest lodging and best restaurant options - I would strongly recommend that unless budget directs otherwise. You can still get to Verdict Ridge in less than 45 minutes from Ballantyne.

My strong recommendations for courses in the best shape and most memorable would be 1) Verdict Ridge, 2) Edgewater, 3) Olde Sycamore, 4) Ballantyne. Stonebridge, Carolina Lakes, and Emerald Lake are good courses, just not up there with my top 4. Waterford's greens are great, but after a 5 hour round there yesterday I won't be going back.

I would stay away from Charlotte National, Skybrook, and Eagle Chase because of current conditions. For me, Warrior is not worth the drive (while Verdict Ridge is).

I wouldn't worry too much about driving times; as long as you avoid rush hours Charlotte is pretty easy to navigate and you can get to every course mentioned from anywhere in Charlotte in less than 45 minutes.
Re: Where to play?   panthersfann55 at 10/3/10 5:36pm
this time of year be sure to call any golf course you choose to see if they have punched the greens. many do at the end of sept beginning of oct. takes about 3 weeks to heal. played fox den (30 min north of charlotte) great conditions and female friendly. great layout. don't let eagle chases pictures fool you. very fair course and the ladies tees will give you the advantage. open fairways no blind shots (no houses either). carolina lakes has huge fast greens, but if you don't get it on the right tier watch the score rise. use clickitgolf.com (via the links here on Bman's site) to buy rounds cheaper than at the proshop most times.
Where to play?   LaurenfromMA at 10/3/10 10:54am
Thanks for such great info on Charlotte courses! We're visiting for a few days, and will get to play 2 or 3 rounds of golf. "We" are a couple (over 50) - one with about a 12 handicap and a great short game and the other a struggling golfer who appreciates a significant ladies advantage. We're deciding where to stay, and it seems like we probably want to decide "north" (Verdict Ridge, Warrior, Skybrook or ?) or "east" (Old Sycamore, Emerald, Charlotte National, maybe Stonebridge) or possibly "south" (Ballantyne, Waterford, Carolina Lakes...)

Since we're on vacation, value isn't quite as important as a great experience. For us, great means good course conditions and layout, and fun to play on your first outing (not Red Brid! ge). I'm leaning toward the "east" cluster for us but would love input, especially regarding which courses to pick. Stonebridge sounds like it might be worth the drive, and Eagle Chase sounds like more of a challenge than I'm up to.

Thanks for any input on current conditions, now that it's cooler!
Re: Where to play?   tvrepairex at 9/24/10 5:41pm
CJ,If you want great carolina BBQ you need to try Gary's BBQ in China Grove ,NC on hwy 29N. or Lexington BBQ in Lexington ,NC off I-85.Both are north of Charlotte between 35 minutes to an hour.Also,Red Bridge in Locust,N.C. just east of Charlotte or the Warrior in China Grove are two good courses to try.
Re: Where to play?   CJ at 9/24/10 1:21pm
Thanks again for the information, I really appreciate it.

Sorta off topic, but do you have any good restaurant recommendations? I'm not a fine dining guy and I've never been to NC, but everyone tells me I need to eat Carolina bbq. A co-worker of mine said I had to go the The Penguin. Any other recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again for all of your input.
Where to play?   DrSchteeve at 9/23/10 8:14pm
Hate to say, as I was a fan the first time I played, but the conditions now at Cramer Mountain are not good - like many course, it's the greens: bare spots, poa anna (sp?), just not good.
where to play   malamute at 9/23/10 2:11pm
verdict ridge / red bridge / cramer mountain are some of the best courses in area
Re: Where to play?   wnb5th at 9/22/10 10:52pm
Carolina Lakes on 521 is a great golf... the nicest around in my humble opinion and over the past 10 years I have played the crap out of every course within 45 miles... edgewater is also great.
Re: Where to play?   DrSchteeve at 9/22/10 7:45pm
Ballantyne is a decent layout and most consistently offers "resort" conditions in Charlotte. They punched their greens back in July so they should be in good shape. It's all relative, but they are at the highest price point for daily fee courses in Charlotte, usually $75 or so. Especially given the greens issues that most courses have suffered, if the greens are in good shape the premium may be worth it. I would call and specifically ask about greens conditions.
Re: Where to play?   CJ at 9/22/10 6:20pm
Thank you for the suggestions. What are your thoughts on the course at the Ballantyne Resort?

Thanks again.
Fox Den   panthersfann55 at 9/22/10 2:03pm
Course in great shape. Greens healed nicely since they punched them 4 weeks ago. Wish the fairways were mowed on this visit but all in all still a great value.
Re: Where to play?   Dan at 9/14/10 3:52pm
I wouldn't get to excited about playing Cleghorn Plantation.
I was out there the last 2 weekends and each round took well over 5 hrs. The last round was 5 1/2 hrs. and when we voiced our displeasure......the guy working said "if you don't like it, then don't come back, we don't care". Who says something like that to a paying customer? I mean....all you hear about is how the courses aren't making money so the staff at Cleghorn says "don't come back"? Well guess what......I won't go back and neither will the other guys playing with me those times. Plus, they won't get any business from all of our other golf friends. Unbelievable!
Where to play?   DrSchteeve at 9/10/10 7:21am
Verdict Ridge (in Denver, NC, about 35 minutes north from down(up)town Charlotte).

Edgewater (in Lancaster, SC, about 45 minutes south)

A bit farther, Cleghorn Plantation (in Rutherfordton, NC, about 1 1/4 hours west)

Unfortunately, in my opinion, there aren't any "must play" courses closer in. However, if I was going to choose some closer courses, I would put Skybrook, Olde Sycamore, Red Bridge, and Regent Park on the list.


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